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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Roll Crimping |
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Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:11 pm
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Joined: 10 Mar 2020
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Location: United States
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I decided to try some roll crimping. I ordered the roll crimper and hull prepper from ballistic products. They were out of the hull holder so I am trying without it. Wondering if anyone else has tried doing it and if there are any benefits beside looking good. |
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Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:38 pm
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Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 370
Location: Columbia, SC
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Roll crimping is slow and tedious compared to fold crimping with any of the commercially available reloading machines; I used MEC Sizemasters. Also, roll crimped cases cannot be reloaded more than 2 or 3 times, many fewer than if fold crimped. I reloaded for 44 years but stopped when we moved to an apartment in a retirement community where I don't have a place to reload.
I only roll crimped 24 gauge cartridges because there was no 24 gauge reloader available - I used my 20 gauge Sizemaster to deprime, reprime, drop powder, insert wad and drop shot. I then C-clamped a 28 gauge MEC Super Sizer to my drill press table and opened the collet up to properly size the 24 gauge brass and hold the cartridge while I roll crimped it.
I used a GAEP roll crimp head made in Italy. It was FAR superior to the Ballistic Products product. I've read that the Precision Reloading roll crimp head is better than the BP but not quite as good as the GAEP.
The only reason I roll crimped was that there was no 24 gauge reloader available. I cannot imagine roll crimping because it is"looking good". |
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Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:43 pm
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Joined: 21 Mar 2019
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Location: Texas
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French: I have all 3 roll crimpers mentioned. The best by far is the gaep, they have different ones for plastic and paper. The next is the precision and it does a good job. The BP one just sucks. The roll really isn’t a roll compared to the other two. You want great roll crimps, then buy the gaep and don’t look back. The hull vise isn’t a must, but sure makes life easier. I spin mine in a drill press, you need to have a pretty good grip on the hull for it not to spin with a press. I also have the hand crank antique and it works great also. Reloading a rolled one is a little more of a challenge as stated above. If you get the gaep it takes about 2 sec additional. About the same time to pre crimp and finish crimp on any other press. It does take a little practice, but after about 10-12 shells you will be fine. |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:45 am
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Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 1545
Location: Michigan
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The best roll crimping tools are the old Lyman roll crimpers.
If you can find them. Just my opinion. |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:01 am
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Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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Location: West MI
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All good advice so far, second the tool choices, I've had such good performance from PR tools never seen the need to try the Gaep tools although many think highly of them. I think BP has tools available now that have more than 1 roll pin and it may be an improvement over their original single pin models but PR IMO are the way to go for domestic. I too use a Supersizer as hull vice = 2 birds 1 stone. Drill press adds consistency.
Pro's; max hull capacity. max hull life i.e. as the folded hulls get ripped and crusty trim them back and get a few more loading's out of them. Another option/method/technique to learn. Instant load recognition by either color coding or printing the shot size and type on the OSC.
Con's a bit more fiddling to a degree, but, if not going into mass production IMO add's more time in the cave to what I see as an enjoyable hobby.
Good luck with it... |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:54 am
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Joined: 30 Jul 2012
Posts: 318
Location: Central, ND
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Deprime, prime, powder, wad and shot was all done on a a Ponsness Warren 375. Then roll crimped with a Gaep tool on my drill press. I can load a box roll crimping just as fast as fold crimps. Can get a few more reloads out of them if you use the BPI spinmaster hull conditioner.
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:38 am
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Joined: 10 Mar 2020
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Location: United States
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I will send the Ballistic Products roll crimper back when it come in and try the Gaep roll crimper. |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:39 am
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Joined: 10 Mar 2020
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Location: United States
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I will send the Ballistic Products roll crimper back when it come in and try the Gaep roll crimper. |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:39 am
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Joined: 10 Mar 2020
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Location: United States
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I will send the Ballistic Products roll crimper back when it come in and try the better roll crimper. |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:40 am
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Joined: 10 Mar 2020
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Location: United States
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I will send mine back when it comes in and order the better one. Thanks! |
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:42 pm
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Joined: 10 Mar 2020
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Location: United States
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Sorry for multiple relies. my laptop said error when I sent it. |
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Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:11 am
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Joined: 01 Mar 2017
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Win7stw
nice roll turnovers displayed
Could you tell us which RTO - GAEP No - that you used to make these?
harkom |
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Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:19 am
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Joined: 30 Jul 2012
Posts: 318
Location: Central, ND
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Harkom I will look when I get home but I believe it is the OTP crimper. I will give you Charles’s info from Gaep and you can email him. He is a great guy to deal with and he will make sure you get the right crimped for your application |
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:02 am
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Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 601
Location: Virginia
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I ordered one of those Russian roll crimpers on Ebay a couple years ago. Cost was about $25, shipping included. It works well and produces very neat crimps. IIRC, it took a couple months to arrive. I have tried the crimper heads from BPI and Precision Reloading, plus a Lyman-made head for drill presses. None work as well as the Russian equipment. |
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:46 pm
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Joined: 07 Jun 2020
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