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kgb
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:57 pm  Reply with quote
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It's not looking like the best fit for sub-1oz loadings at 1200fps or less, and being of relatively small grain size it will give some people fits with less than perfect matching of wads to cases. Being a replacement for 800X and Solo 1250 for 1oz will go a long way, however.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:01 pm  Reply with quote
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kgb wrote:
It's not looking like the best fit for sub-1oz loadings at 1200fps or less, and being of relatively small grain size it will give some people fits with less than perfect matching of wads to cases. Being a replacement for 800X and Solo 1250 for 1oz will go a long way, however.


I’m going to give a 2.5” 15/16 oz version a go. I’ll just switch from the SG16S to regular SG16 and reduce the charge slightly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:05 pm  Reply with quote
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Dave I really like the looks of that last load. Should make a great hunting load . Hope it works out .


I’ll send you the lab results.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:53 am  Reply with quote
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Thanks Dave, looking forward to it .
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:00 pm  Reply with quote



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I loaded up some of the Hodgdon published, 1 oz. loads using Winchester 572 and the SG16 wad. Not very impressed, as the loads in Winchester and Federal hulls will require a filler because the wad column height is a bit short. No shot fell out but the crimps were more than a little concave. I dislike having to put fillers in any load, especially those that I would use for target loads. The loads had a published velocity of 1,275 FPS

I am glad the 1 oz. loads fit well in the RGL hulls.

Onto 1 1/8 oz.loads that Hodgdon has published.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:35 pm  Reply with quote



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I tried Federal and Winchester hulls with 1 1/8 oz. loads using the SG16 wads and the loads fit much better than the 1 oz. loads using the same wad. Nice flat tight crimps. I am going to pattern and velocity test these loads within the next few days. Published velocity was 1240 FPS for each load.

Oh yeah, I shot these loads in my 7 lb. 3 oz. Citori. You folks with older, light hunting guns might think twice about using these. They are pretty sporty on the recoil side.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:26 pm  Reply with quote



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I checked 4 loads over the chronograph today.

The first one is the load that I am trying to replace:

Remington RGL hull
CCI209 Primer
21.0 Grains 800-X.
Remington SP16 wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum lead

Average - 1,239 FPS
Sd - 4 FPS
EV - 11 FPS
Hi - 1,245 FPS
Lo - 1,234 FPS

Originally tested in 2000 @ 1,255 FPS
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This load was published by Hodgdon @ 1,240 FPS

Federal paper basewad hull
CCI209M Primer
22.0 Grains Winchester 572
Gualandi BRG 16/21 (SG16) wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum lead

Average - 1,234 FPS
Sd - 4 FPS
EV - 11 FPS
Hi - 1,243 FPS
Lo - 1,232 FPS

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This load was published by Hodgdon @ 1,240 FPS

Winchester 2 piece plastic hull
CCI209M Primer
22.0 Grains Winchester 572
Gualandi BRG 16/21 (SG16) wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum lead

Average - 1,224 FPS
Sd - 14 FPS
EV - 34 FPS
Hi - 1,234 FPS
Lo - 1,200 FPS
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This load was NOT published by Hodgdon. It was just something I wanted to try. I have worked a lot with the Bascheri & Pellagri Z2M16 wad and there wasn't a lot of difference in velocity and pressure, between it and the SG16, but I don't know that to be true in this case.

Federal paper basewad hull
CCI209M Primer
22.0 Grains Winchester 572
Bascheri & Pellagri Z2M16 wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum lead

Average - 1,236 FPS
Sd - 9 FPS
EV - 25 FPS
Hi - 1,250 FPS
Lo - 1,225 FPS

I was pretty happy with all the loads except the load in the Winchester hull. I will probably try a Winchester 209 primer in it and see if that change will clean it up a little.

I did shoot pattern test sheets, 3 each, except for the load in the Winchester hull. I will post the pattern percentages within the next few days. I hate counting pellets...... Laughing Laughing Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:45 am  Reply with quote



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Some great information thanks.

Not terribly surprised it didn't work well in 1oz loadings. The 1oz load I worked up in 65mm hulls was near perfect stack height. Just the slightest compression of the wad cushion section when crimped.

It might be nice to have another option in the SG16 wad line, a "tall" version if you will, for 7/8 loads in 65mm hulls, and 1oz in 70mm, for use with dense ball powder.
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:13 pm  Reply with quote



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Patterning info for the loads in my last post.
Shotgun used was my 1100 - 16 gauge, 28" barrel, long forcing cone, ported, .015" Briley Thin Wall choke. 3 patterns were shot and the numbers were averaged. Pellet count in the load was 261. The central thickening ratio should be 1.5 to 1 or higher.

Distance was 35 yards. Just a SWAG on my part at the yardage. I think the majority of my shots are taken between 25 and 35 yards, not that some aren't closer or farther. I am trying to choke for the majority of the shots.

This first load I am currently using for pheasants and that I need to replace because 800-X has been discontinued.

Remington RGL hull
CCI209 Primer
21.0 Grains 800-X.
Remington SP16 wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 West Coast magnum lead

21" core - 148 pellets
21" to 30" annular ring - 74 pellets
Total in 30" circle - 222 pellets
Percentage - 85%
Central Thickening - 2.0 to 1

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Federal paper basewad hull
CCI209M Primer
22.0 Grains Winchester 572
Gualandi BRG 16/21 (SG16) wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 West Coast magnum lead

21" core - 163 pellets
21" to 30" annular ring - 72 pellets
Total in 30" circle - 235 pellets
Percentage - 90%
Central Thickening - 2.26 to 1

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Federal paper basewad hull
CCI209M Primer
22.0 Grains Winchester 572
Bascheri & Pellagri Z2M16 wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 West Coast magnum lead

21" core - 145 pellets
21" to 30" annular ring - 76 pellets
Total in 30" circle - 221 pellets
Percentage - 84.6%
Central Thickening - 1.9 to 1

I did not pattern the loads in the Winchester hull......yet.

Something to note and I have seen this before. The wad that held the least amount of shot, the Gualandi BRG 16/21 (SG16) also had the highest pattern percentage and the best central thickening ratio, of the 3 loads I patterned.

The Remington SP-16 holds about 15/16 oz., The SG16 holds about 5/8 oz. and the Z2M16 holds about 3/4 oz. So much for needing to use a wad that holds the entire shot charge.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:17 pm  Reply with quote
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Thanks for the update!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:37 pm  Reply with quote



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Thanks for the pattern descriptions. The short cup SG16 wad giving the best pattern is surprising. Going to have to remember that. Wonder if it's load specific or a bit more general overall. Need to do some testing, I have all 3 wads mentioned above as well as the two CB wads and the 1632 Chedite. I know that 1632 patterns TIGHT in my loads.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:20 pm  Reply with quote



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It's been awhile, but I don't believe that good patterns from the SG16 are load specific. Just look at the numbers, the SG16 does pattern a bit tighter but it isn't night and day. I wouldn't get too concerned about it one way or the other, the difference between an 85% pattern and a 90% pattern at 35 yards isn't all that much..

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:45 am  Reply with quote



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I was surprised a couple years ago when I disassembled a 1 1/8 oz Golden Pheasant #5 and found Fiocchi used a sg16s wad. Lots of exposed shot. I never patterned one of these, but I kill roosters well with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:44 pm  Reply with quote
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I just recently patterned the Fiocchi GP #5 with a Light Mod choke in my Citori at 20 & 40 yds. The 20 yd had scattered clumps near the center & was rather tight. The 40 yd was a decent pattern, with a few flyers. These have been my go to load for grouse & pheasant for the last few years after I bought a flat.

And yes, I have thrown everything from steel 4 to lead 7.5 at grouse and settled on 5. The birds drop dead from the air and don’t run off, even at longer distances or through the brush. I would use 6 in a pinch, but I don’t use 7.5 unless I’m after woodcock as well, & then I pick my shots more carefully.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:06 am  Reply with quote



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Looking at the map of my upcoming sharptail hunt in ND appears there will be a lot of WPA hunting, and non-tox required.

I have 10# of Bismuth shot on the way.....

Tried as an experiment in Cheddite 65mm hull:

20.0 572
SG16S wad
1oz Bismuth No. 6

The stack height with the shorter wad was pretty good. I get a small amount of compression when I crimp the hull.

Seems like a reasonable load to test. Darn hard to test very much at $1 a pull just for shot..... Sad
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