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win7stw
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:10 pm  Reply with quote



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Ha my only regret is leaving a 4lb jug for somebody else to buy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:06 pm  Reply with quote



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RGuill96971 says'

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Rub it in buddy! Some of those guys in ND have a sick sense of humor.


You have it wrong. It isn't some of those guys, it's ALL of those guys in ND have a sick sense of humor.

win7stw, ya' done good, wanna sell the 7625 for what you paid for it?? Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:25 pm  Reply with quote



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If reloading components weren’t in their current state I would sell you that powder and I’d send a jug of PB to Houston for Rob. However I don’t foresee things get any better and don’t want to be without shooting supplies. I’ve got two boys that are 9 and 7 and I’m hoping they keep me busy reloading soon

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:14 pm  Reply with quote



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win7stw,

I killed a lot of pheasants with 7625 in 1 1/8 oz. loads in the 16. That stuff is sweet. I was only kidding, I really didn't think you would part with it.....I certainly wouldn't!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:40 pm  Reply with quote



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So I have been completely bored since hunting season closed.

I tested some more loads for cold performance to see what I could find, since the first ones were less than stellar.

1/14/2023 Weather 28 degrees, cloudy, S wind @ 8 MPH, RH 78%
Shotgun used - Rem 1100 16 gauge, 28" barrel, 0.000" choke
Pro-Chrono - Start screen 2' from muzzle.
5 rounds of each load soaked for over 48 hours @ 70 degrees F.
5 rounds of each load soaked for over 48 hours @ -4 degrees F.

Chronograph was brought inside after each 5 round test, while data was being recorded.

Reference loads were shot at the beginning of the test. Reference loads were also soaked at 70 degrees F. All loads were shot within 3 minutes from the time I took them from the house or the freezer. Warming rounds were shot before each 5 shot string.

Reference loads assessment for average velocity - 1159 FPS
Reference loads as tested on 1/14/2023 - 1166 FPS

All powder and shot drops were weighed. All hulls were once fired. All rounds were loaded on a MEC Sizemaster.

Load #1
Remington 2 piece plastic hull (RGL)
CCI209M Primer
21.0 Grains Longshot
Remington SP-16 Wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum shot
Crimp depth: .060"
Hodgdon - 1240 FPS - 11,200 PSI

70 Degree rounds:

Average - 1205 FPS
Hi - 1219 FPS
Lo - 1185 FPS
ES - 34 FPS
SD - 14 FPS

0 Degree cold soaked rounds:

Average - 1059 FPS
Hi - 1105 FPS
Lo - 1033 FPS
ES - 62 FPS
SD - 28.5 FPS

Loss 13%
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Load #2
Remington 2 piece plastic hull (RGL)
Winchester 209 Primer
19.5 Grains 800-X
Remington SP-16 Wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum shot
Crimp depth: .060"
Hodgdon - 1225 FPS - 10,900 PSI

70 Degree rounds:

Average - 1161 FPS
Hi - 1166 FPS
Lo - 1159 FPS
ES - 7 FPS
SD - 2 FPS

0 Degree cold soaked rounds:

Average - 1007 FPS
Hi - 1094 FPS
Lo - 780 FPS
ES - 314 FPS
SD - 128 FPS

Loss 14%
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Load #3
Cheddite 2 3/4" hull (Herter's)
Federal 209A Primer
22.8 Grains Winchester 572
Gualandi SG16 Wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum shot
Crimp depth: .070"
Hodgdon - 1295 FPS - 11,500 PSI

70 Degree rounds:

Average - 1259 FPS
Hi - 1269 FPS
Lo - 1242 FPS
ES - 27 FPS
SD - 12 FPS

0 Degree cold soaked rounds:

Average - 1184 FPS
Hi - 1220 FPS
Lo - 1158 FPS
ES - 62 FPS
SD - 26 FPS

Loss 6%

Possibilities
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Load #4
Cheddite 2 3/4" hull (Herter's)
Federal 209A Primer
25.0 Grains Longshot
Gualandi SG16 Wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum shot
Crimp depth: .070"
Hodgdon - 1295 FPS - 9,000 PSI

70 Degree rounds:

Average - 1299 FPS
Hi - 1309 FPS
Lo - 1291 FPS
ES - 18 FPS
SD - 7 FPS

0 Degree cold soaked rounds:

Average - 1227 FPS
Hi - 1243 FPS
Lo - 1205 FPS
ES - 38 FPS
SD - 17.5

Loss 6%

This one is a keeper
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Load #5
Federal 2 3/4" paper basewad hull
CCI209M Primer
24.6 Grains Longshot
Gualandi SG16 Wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum shot
Crimp depth: .070"
Hodgdon - 1295 FPS - 10,800 PSI

70 Degree rounds:

Average - 1281 FPS
Hi - 1302 FPS
Lo - 1261 FPS
ES - 41 FPS
SD - 17 FPS

0 Degree cold soaked rounds:

Average - 1103 FPS
Hi - 1231 FPS
Lo - 988 FPS
ES - 243 FPS
SD - 87

Loss 14%
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Load #6
Federal 2 3/4" paper basewad hull
Federal 209A Primer
23.2 Grains Winchester 572
Gualandi SG16 Wad
1 1/8 oz. #6 magnum shot
Crimp depth: .070"
Hodgdon - 1295 FPS - 11.500 PSI

70 Degree rounds:

Average - 1250 FPS
Hi - 1268 FPS
Lo - 1242 FPS
ES - 26 FPS
SD - 11 FPS

0 Degree cold soaked rounds:

Average - 1156 FPS
Hi - 1203 FPS
Lo - 1105 FPS
ES - 98 FPS
SD - 39

Loss 8%
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:39 am  Reply with quote
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Interesting numbers on the Longshot loads. I want to say that the Rem wad is the culprit on the RGL load. I tend to use the SG16 & Z16 for most of my Longshot loads, which are usually in straight wall hulls other than Remington. My black Rem hull loads are for woodcock/quail with the green ones loaded with Bismuth for those woodcock/duck hunts along a creek. Typically warmer weather stuff.

As my match load uses Longshot & Ch209 vs Fed209A, I may try the same type of tests to see what losses there are.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:13 am  Reply with quote



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Over the years I have been able to get all hull/wad combinations to work correctly and I have eliminated that as a problem.

The CCI 209M is the issue with Loads #1 & #5.

I have found two loads that work. Loads #3 & #4.

I'm going to use #4.

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Byron Whitlock
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:37 pm  Reply with quote



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I have never experienced the trouble with cold weather load performance because I don't leave my ammo out in sub-zero weather for days at a time Rolling Eyes I know I don't move very well after being out in the cold that long and would not expect many things to move better when frozen. ammo carried in my pockets on a hunt does not get that cold and I take it inside with me at the end of the day.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:04 am  Reply with quote



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Just a FWIW.

I went out and retrieved a bunch of the wads I used for cold testing these loads.

The CB0100-16, SP16 and the CB2100-12 wads looked pretty good for the most part. There were a few tears here and there but most were just fine. The SG16 wads were all torn to bits. The wad that held up the best was the DR-16.(I didn't record the numbers for the load using the DR16).

There was a lot of speculation over on SGW about the wad plastics not being able to handle the cold. These tests weren't in any way supposed to be absolute proof of anything beyond the performance of the individual loads in cold temps, but it certainly doesn't seem like the plastic wad has anything to do with the outcome. The primer/powder type/powder amount and payload seem to be the deciding factors.

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