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MSM2019
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:28 am  Reply with quote



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Both powders are actually better suited to the 12 gauge but......

High Gun is probably going to be a bit more useful for the 16, especially with 7/8 oz. loads.

No data for either powder yet, except what is printed on the powder bottle.

Powder Valley has 8 lbers. of each for +/-$210.00.

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Heard a nasty rumor that 700-X is going to be discontinued. I sent Hodgdon and email.

Let's see what happens.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:41 am  Reply with quote



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Of course 700-X will be discontinued...then replaced with something that doesn't ignite well in cold weather. That seems to be what Hogdon does.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:55 pm  Reply with quote



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It just a way to sell a sxxt load of powder that's on hand quickly to get rid of it with a price bump.
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John Singer
PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 7:32 pm  Reply with quote



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Go to this link:

https://hodgdon.com/resources/data-sheets/

Click on the MEC powder bushing chart.

It looks to me like Hodgdon High Gun is nothing more than Tite Group powder with a different label.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 3:23 am  Reply with quote
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Gotta appreciate the lower cost.
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:33 am  Reply with quote



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John Singer wrote:
Go to this link:

https://hodgdon.com/resources/data-sheets/

Click on the MEC powder bushing chart.

It looks to me like Hodgdon High Gun is nothing more than Tite Group powder with a different label.


Yeah, maybe, don't really care to be honest. It is a viable addition and the price, all things considered, is better than most powders.

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MSM2019
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 5:35 am  Reply with quote



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WyoChukar wrote:
Of course 700-X will be discontinued...then replaced with something that doesn't ignite well in cold weather. That seems to be what Hogdon does.


Yup, heard that one too, but supposedly that was only a rumor. 700-X is alive and well......and is really all I care about as I use it in both the 12 and the 16.

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John Singer
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:07 am  Reply with quote



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MSM2019 wrote:
John Singer wrote:
Go to this link:

https://hodgdon.com/resources/data-sheets/

Click on the MEC powder bushing chart.

It looks to me like Hodgdon High Gun is nothing more than Tite Group powder with a different label.


Yeah, maybe, don't really care to be honest. It is a viable addition and the price, all things considered, is better than most powders.


I do not disagree.

My question is now, would you use either High Gun or Tite Group for a 7/8 oz 16 gauge load?

I am thinking 14 to 15 grains. One issue is that those powders are very dense and fillers are needed.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 9:09 am  Reply with quote



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I would try High Gun in a Remington hull and the CB0078-16 wad.

or

If DownRange ever gets off their butt, about 16 grains in one of the straight wall hulls and a DR16.

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 4:09 am  Reply with quote



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John Singer wrote:
MSM2019 wrote:
John Singer wrote:
Go to this link:

https://hodgdon.com/resources/data-sheets/

Click on the MEC powder bushing chart.

It looks to me like Hodgdon High Gun is nothing more than Tite Group powder with a different label.


Yeah, maybe, don't really care to be honest. It is a viable addition and the price, all things considered, is better than most powders.


I do not disagree.

My question is now, would you use either High Gun or Tite Group for a 7/8 oz 16 gauge load?

I am thinking 14 to 15 grains. One issue is that those powders are very dense and fillers are needed.


Just spitballing: if these powders are "very dense and fillers are needed", would that make them suitable candidates for 2.5 inch loads, where there is less room in the case then a 2.75 inch load?

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 5:55 am  Reply with quote



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D-I-M ... I think you are all over it . I've been trimming basically all my cases all gauges an 1/8'' . Everything fits much better . Never been a huge fan of Ball Powders , just use begrudgingly . I think I have the last 4#er of 800X that came into NY - hope I don't end up with the last 700X jug !! Been loving that stuff since 1970 !

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 4:12 pm  Reply with quote
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When my High Gun gets (Wed.) here I will send the load Mark suggested out for testing.
I have a lot of Remington hulls and the 7/8 oz wads. I'll use Cheddite primers too.

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