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< 16ga. Guns ~ need help with fixing a Darne sliding breech sxs |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:06 am
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Location: NEW SALISBURY INDIANA
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need some help with my 16 ga french Darne, it has striker type firing pins, on the front trigger the seer does not always engage the notch on the firing pin. both look rounded off, before I hit it with a file, any advice? I am sure no replacement parts are available. |
_________________ 16ga 3-Win 37
16ga Ithaca 37 1946
16ga Western Auto Revelation
16ga Browning A-5 1929
16ga Marlin 90 1939
16ga browning citori lightning grade 3 2003
16ga Francisque Darne 1920 |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:36 am
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Location: Central ND
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Darn Darne. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:29 am
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Location: Kansas High Plains
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Ted Schefelbein is probably your man to ask. |
_________________ I feel a warm spot in my heart when I meet a man whiling away an afternoon...and stopping to chat with him, hear the sleek lines of his double gun whisper "Sixteen." - Gene Hill, Shotgunner's Notebook |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:56 am
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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Location: Nothern Michigan
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Get ahold of Geoffery Gournet the engraver in PA (gournetusa.com)
He was imported Darnes and still has parts for them. I have a love/hate relationship with these guns and have bought and sold a number of them.
When I have had questions about them i contact him and he has never failed to respond. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:57 am
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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Location: Nothern Michigan
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Get ahold of Geoffery Gournet the engraver in PA (gournetusa.com)
He was imported Darnes and still has parts for them. I have a love/hate relationship with these guns and have bought and sold a number of them.
When I have had questions about them i contact him and he has never failed to respond. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:58 am
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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Location: Nothern Michigan
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Get ahold of Geoffery Gournet the engraver in PA (gournetusa.com)
He was imported Darnes and still has parts for them. I have a love/hate relationship with these guns and have bought and sold a number of them.
When I have had questions about them i contact him and he has never failed to respond. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:59 am
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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Location: Nothern Michigan
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Get ahold of Geoffery Gournet the engraver in PA (gournetusa.com)
He was imported Darnes and still has parts for them. I have a love/hate relationship with these guns and have bought and sold a number of them.
When I have had questions about them i contact him and he has never failed to respond. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:01 am
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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Location: Nothern Michigan
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Get ahold of Geoffery Gournet the engraver in PA (gournetusa.com)
He was importer Darnes and still has parts for them. I have a love/hate relationship with these guns and have bought and sold a number of them.
When I have had questions about them i contact him and he has never failed to respond. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:02 am
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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Location: Nothern Michigan
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Get ahold of Geoffery Gournet the engraver in PA
He was importer Darnes and still has parts for them. I have a love/hate relationship with these guns and have bought and sold a number of them.
When I have had questions about them i contact him and he has never failed to respond. |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:26 pm
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I think he's trying to suggest that you get ahold of Geoffery Gournet ! |
_________________ I feel a warm spot in my heart when I meet a man whiling away an afternoon...and stopping to chat with him, hear the sleek lines of his double gun whisper "Sixteen." - Gene Hill, Shotgunner's Notebook |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:36 pm
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Location: NEW SALISBURY INDIANA
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I did, no help |
_________________ 16ga 3-Win 37
16ga Ithaca 37 1946
16ga Western Auto Revelation
16ga Browning A-5 1929
16ga Marlin 90 1939
16ga browning citori lightning grade 3 2003
16ga Francisque Darne 1920 |
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Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:51 pm
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Location: Mpls, MN.
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How many triggers have you worked on in your life? If you are far enough in the gun to know the relationship between the sear and the striker, my compliments.
I would guess the rounding off you refer to was an attempt by a previous owner to lighten the trigger pulls. Depending on the vintage of the gun, you may be able to swap the sears or the strikers themselves, to get an idea of which part would benefit from some squaring up. Mark each of the parts so you know where they were when you started and do some experimenting to see what improves.
It is important to remember that you only have a little metal to work with. There are Darne guns out there that double because someone tried too hard and removed too much material in a quest for lighter triggers. JJ Perodeau puts it best, “quit when you have two or three file strokes left”.
Knowing where that is separates a good ‘smith, from an average one.
Good luck.
Best,
Ted |
_________________ "Well sir, stupidity isn't technically against the law, and on that note, I'll remove the handcuffs and you are free to go". |
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Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:31 am
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Location: NEW SALISBURY INDIANA
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thanks Ted, I tried interchanging the parts and neither seer would fit in the others location, I know the seers are original, they have the ser no on them, the leaf spring on the bad side looks home made and is longer then the good side, soooo, I put a little more bend in the leaf spring and squared up the surfaces with a file and so far its working. A side note, when removing the screws that hold the leaf springs in I buggered them a little so when I installed the sliding breach the screw heads kept it from closing, so had to file them flat, now all is well |
_________________ 16ga 3-Win 37
16ga Ithaca 37 1946
16ga Western Auto Revelation
16ga Browning A-5 1929
16ga Marlin 90 1939
16ga browning citori lightning grade 3 2003
16ga Francisque Darne 1920 |
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Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:55 am
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Thank you for the update |
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Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:11 am
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Joined: 19 Jun 2004
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Location: Mpls, MN.
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Whatever works.
The sad thing is these were never really cheap guns, but, the lower grades that have been used pretty hard (most of them) aren’t worth throwing a bunch of gunsmith money at.
Glad it is running.
Best,
Ted |
_________________ "Well sir, stupidity isn't technically against the law, and on that note, I'll remove the handcuffs and you are free to go". |
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