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Hello All,

What can anyone tell me about this shotgun.
It has 2 3/4 chambers, and ejectors, and is a honey to shoot

Thanks
Enjoy the day
Mike

Please post ultra close ups of the watertable and barrel flats. Here are the dateletters of proof

And http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20m%20o/a%20man%20liegeoise%20d%20armes%20a%20feu%20gb.htm

Cornell Pubs has some catalogs
http://www.cornellpubs.com/

Hello
Thank you for your assistance

Happy Thanksgiving

Mike

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That's a nice gun!

I don't see the Manufacture Liegeoise d' Armes a Feu 1866-1929 mark

which became Armaf 1929-1972

and usually 'ACM' in a circle is stamped on the barrels for Acier Cockerill Manufacture Liegoise

Top pic/receiver:
spangled u is the inspector's mark; either Hubert Charlier 23'-53' or Jacques Fuchs 60'-68'
perron - inspection mark
What may be the stylized lion over PV post-1968 smokeless proof??

Second pic:
1kg??? is the barrel weight after smokeless proof
The next is the important date of proof letter which I can not interpret (sorry!)
spangled u again
? the older style lion over PV smokeless proof
Banc d'Epreuves des Armes A'Feu de Liege (proof house) stamp
16-70 in an omega = 16g with original 70mm chambers

Third pic:
?16.9 is bore in mm = .665"
?15.8 is choke constriction = .622"
AL is the mark of Arnold Lochet http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20l/a%20lochet%20famille%20gb.htm
but could also be Acier Liegoise ?
spangled J was the inspection mark of Pierre Neuprez used 30' - 68'
Intertwined EL is the provisional proof mark
The last one may be the maker's mark which could be an 'A' within a stylized 'L' for Arnold Lochet?? It's certainly not the 'ML' mark

Manufacture Liegeoise d'Armes a Feu was a huge outfit similar to Fabrique Nationale and they contracted with lots of makers to provide firearms. I wish I could read the proof letter ! but it looks to be a small case greek letter which would be c. 1950s. IF it's a small case 'x' it would be 1945 but I can't image ML was turning out sporting guns at the end of the war.
I sure can't explain what may be the post-1968 smokeless proof on the receiver.

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Nice work Rev!

Hello All
Thanks Rev
Happy Thanksgiving
If you need further close ups of any part
Please tell me where and I will shoot those shots
Enjoy the day
Mike

Fun to help, but it did take some research.
Maybe you could chalk the 2nd and 3rd segments of the barrel so the marks would stand out. I'm interested in that ? maker's mark, and would sure like to at least identify the proofdate mark.
And thanksgiving blessings to everyone Very Happy

Hello
Happy Thanksgiving
Is this what you wanted to see?

Thanks
Mike

I'm stumped and will ask the experts on DoubleGunBBS for some help. That is definitely the post-1968 stylized lion over PV smokeless proof.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=123388&page=0#Post123388

Well we're making progress Rolling Eyes

Turns out the stylized lion over PV was used even before 1924, so maybe the 1945 proof date is correct?