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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ And the results are in !!!!! DR16 load testing results. |
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Sat May 30, 2009 10:01 pm
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Location: Minnesota and Florida
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Last edited by MaximumSmoke on Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:49 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Sun May 31, 2009 7:15 am
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Tony,
I took the bait too!!
The other version that I think fits as well is:
Don't play with the pigs in the mud, you get dirty and the pigs like it!! |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:16 am
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Shooting Sioux/Dogchaser
Amongst all the claims of egos getting in the way and quaint sayings about pigs the point I was trying to make was never addressed and I am hoping that one of you will provide a quantitative solution. You fellows appear to be very learned in this subject and this is a basic problem of "shotgun physics" that I would really like to know the answer to.
Which of the following loads delivers more energy to the target and how much more? 4 pellets of #5 shot moving at 1400fps when it impacts the target or 5 pellets of #5 shot moving at 1200fps when it impacts the target. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:24 am
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Spike,
The best thing you can do is get a copy of Lyman Shotshell Reloading (editions 2 ,3 and 4 have the chart not sure about 5) and look at the pellet energy chart, or search the web for E.D. Lowry's exterior ballistics for shotshell charts. Decide for yourself.
First of all there are TOO many variables relating to your question. Second, your question is a minefield loaded with speculation on the topic of lethality. I will not step into the minefield. You are on your own. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:53 am
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Last edited by MaximumSmoke on Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:23 am
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Thanks for the reference Dogchaser, I will consult my copy. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:48 am
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Last edited by mike campbell on Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:29 am
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WOW,
You guys make this way too complicated.
Hell, you almost take the fun out if it!!
If I had to do all that math to come up with a pellet size and a velocity, I would take up masochism.
Then again after joining this BB maybe I am already practicing masochism. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:13 am
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Last edited by mike campbell on Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:27 am
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Location: Michigan
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mike campbell wrote: |
Hmmmm....what's complicated about ONE velocity and TWO shot sizes for EVERYTHING , regardless of gauge?
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Boy Mike,
You nailed that one.
Except I'd say THREE shot sizes.
#8 for the clays games. #7-1/2 & #6 for live birds.
All at 1150 F.P.S.
Let's see where this takes us. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:38 am
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LMAO,
That is just too funny!!! |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:05 am
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You can kill geese with 6s, but it's not advisable unless you take incoming or crossing shots under 30 yards and aim for the head. Actually I have killed a few geese that way with 1-1/4oz of Tungsten Matrix 5s. Can we add 5s to the list? |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:17 am
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Gents,
Just my $.02, the critical factor that is unquantifiable here, as in real estate,
is PLACEMENT, PLACEMENT, PLACEMENT. Accuracy counts, Charles' recent score on a turkey with a 40yd head shot in the air with #9's is evidence of that. I've taken several large whitetails, over 200#'s, with a 357Mag from a Marlin 94. One shot drops,,,,,,,, I put 150gr bullets doing ~1600fps in the right place.
As Spike pointed out with his shooting on ducks and geese, target presentation is critical for lethal results. I like Mike's practice of shooting the same velocity loads for target and hunting, a claybird is a much smaller "window" than a gambird, lowering pattern density with larger shot doesn't change the number of hits on the larger target. 4 or 5 pellets will do the job on either, appropriately placed.
Ballistic effectiveness can be theoritically analysed ad infinitum, at the end of the day, use what works for you. The only guarantee is that Your Mileage Will Vary.
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:17 am
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Location: Michigan
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Spike McQuail wrote: |
You can kill geese with 6s, but it's not advisable unless you take incoming or crossing shots under 30 yards and aim for the head. Actually I have killed a few geese that way with 1-1/4oz of Tungsten Matrix 5s. Can we add 5s to the list?
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Yes, but I don't hunt waterfowl.
If I needed a goose for dinner, I'd head shoot it, with a rifle, out of a corn field. But, I'd have to be pretty hungry to eat one of those nasty things. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:26 am
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I have to assume Mr Miles was frightened by a goose when he was a child. |
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