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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Who has 2.5" # 7's or 8's 16's in stock ? |
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:35 pm
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Location: Louisville,KY
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Anybody got an idea where I can find 7's or 8's in a 2.5" Low pressure load?
The usual sources seem to be dry.
Thanks,
Brad
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:20 pm
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Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:49 pm
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Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:20 pm
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:07 pm
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Who has used the Arm-USA 2.5" and what kind of results have you had on say pheasants?
Thanks for any info. |
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:43 pm
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www.westleyrichards.com
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:27 am
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Polywad has 7 1/2's in their Vintager line. Eley makes a VIP, not sure what shot sizes are offered, I have 7 1/2's. Gamebore (Kent) has both 6's and 7's.
The very best CIP-approved (means they're OK in all Brit and European doubles, even those with short chambers) shells I've found for pheasants are the B&P's. They're 67MM, which is longer than a true 2 1/2" but shorter than 2 3/4", and still OK in short chambers. They are available in both 6's and 7's, 29 gram (1 1/32 oz) load. The 7's are American size, about 300 of them in that load. The 6's are a bit undersized by American standards--they're more like about 6 1/3's or something. Velocity is pretty snappy. Definitely field loads, not target loads. |
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:20 am
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Larry, do C.I.P. approved shells have to say so on the box somewhere? I had some Kent Gamebore once that said C.I.P. along with some kind of pressure numbers on it. I'm sitting here with a box of B&P F2 Classic 16 gauge shells from the new distributors and don't see anything about C.I.P. on it. Just a warning about firing them in Damascus or other twist steel barrels or chambers shorter than the shell length. And to use only in arms in good condition and designed for modern ammunition.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:12 pm
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B&P ???????
Who carries them or what are they?
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:28 pm
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https://www.bandpusa.com/Shopping/index.php?cPath=1_10_12
Ballistic data : B&P 16 ga. - 29 g. (1.023 oz.) pellets led
V1: at 1 m. to the muzzle and V2 : at 10 m. to the muzzle
Tc. 3000 microsecond (barrel time)
V1. 393 m/s - 1290 fps (first velocity 3.28 feet at the muzzle)
V2. 328 m/s - 1076 fps. ( second velocity 32.8 feet at the muzzle)
P1. 650 bar - 9430 psi ( max. pressure into chambre barrel)
INT. area (psi/sec) into the grafic pressure/time
RT. time in microsecond from the percussion primer untill to have 10% of max. pressure.
They vary a little bit from lot to lot but not much. They also told me they lose 1000 psi and 25 fps at 32 degrees. These are stiff hunting loads. I doubt you could get through a whole box target shooting with a 6 lb. gun.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:03 pm
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Thanks for the info guys. I checked out the B&P rounds. They list them with 3, 4 and 5 shot also. Will the 4's be close to an American 4 or will they be closer to a 5, which would be quite good also?
Thanks again for the info. |
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:54 pm
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Larry, looking at a box of B&P's I have, the CIP symbol is on the bottom of the box, right above the warning about not shooting them in Damascus etc.
In all cases I know of, the 67-67.5 MM shells are designed for use in CIP-proof (British/European) guns with 2 1/2" or longer chambers. I've got a box of Eley VIP 16's--says right on the box "65MM-2 1/2" in length". Yet right on the shells it says "67.5". And although the Eleys don't have the CIP logo, they carry the following: "These shotgun cartridges are made according to CIP regulations . . . "
I also have some Eley 12ga Blues, which the box says are 70MM, 2 3/4"--and "70MM" is marked right on the hull. Put one of those next to a 67.5MM VIP (both unfired), and the VIP is actually just a bit LONGER. Neither is roll crimped, so that wouldn't explain any difference.
Go figure. |
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:56 pm
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Thanks Larry, I see it now. I was looking for something a little bit bigger.
How do those Eley 16's compare to the B&P's?
Larry |
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:46 pm
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Larry, I can't really compare the Eleys to the B&P's. Used the latter a whole bunch for pheasants with very good results; did not use the Eley VIP's at all. Only have them in 7 1/2. |
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