16ga.com ~ View topic - Interest in a CZ/Huglu version of a 1620 sxs??

Joined: 30 Jan 2008 Posts: 70 Location: Washington

I was hoping to get some input from you 16 ga. folks on how you would feel about a 16 gauge SxS built on a 20 ga. frame from CZ/Huglu/DeHaan?? It would basically be very much like a Merkel 1620 but would likely weigh a little more maybe 6.25 to 6.5 lbs. and would be available in both production and Custom order models and would be priced around $600.00 to $1100.00 depending on production model and about $1600.00 and up for Custom Shop SGr series guns.
Just curious how they would be received?? I think that they would be very cool and kinda create their own niche market. How about you??

Basically from what I'm hearing Huglu doesn't feel like there is enough interest in 16 ga. guns to warrant anymore investment of time or money to further develop their 16 ga. gun offerings and I definately disagree, I think that if they offered something like a 1620 in an affordable price range that it would be a pretty good seller.
Strat

Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 1460 Location: Eagle, Nebraska

It would not be anything like a 1620. Wouldn't even mention them in the same breath or sentence.

I have no interest in any of the craftsmanship of Turkey.

Member Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 885 Location: Wisconsin

Well I have 2 CZ Bobwhites and have had them since they came on the market. One is a 20ga, 28" bbls, used primarily for ducks over decoys, the other a 28 used for grouse and woodcock. Both get extensive shooting on our pasture clays course too. Have never had a problem with either one. Had a DeHaan SO 12 that I used for waterfowl til I found a wonderful older Bernadelli, I gave it to my son who uses it for waterfowl hunting, again gun has been problem free. Now that I have stated my personal experences with Huglu shotguns, yes I'd be interested in one. Just dropped 6K on new hearing aids and have a new Huglu 28 on order with 30" IC and Full, think I'd find a SS check to cover it. Just my 2 cents.

Joined: 30 Jan 2008 Posts: 70 Location: Washington

Hooch, I'm fully aware of the differences between a Huglu and a Merkel as I own some of both as well as some fine Spanish SxS's and I certainly didn't mean to ruffle any feathers but as you know being a Merkel guy obviously both the Huglu and Merkel guns do share a very similar action but I was actually only using the comparison as a concept reference. Not everybody's rich and can afford a Merkel so it would make an affordable gun available to the masses regardless of their social status. It might even stir up some new interest in the 16 ga. if a person could go in and purchase a decent 16 ga. right of the Gun Rack at a local Sporting Goods store. Anyway, thanks for the input and by the way I find my DeHaan and Huglu Custom Shop guns and my production guns for that matter to be of excellent quality and craftsmanship especially considering their cost, you get a lot of BANG for the buck and you're not going to believe this but they sit right in between the Merkel and Spaniards in the gun safe. Thanks Again.

Pooplecop, thank you for the input. I've seen you on the 28 gauge forum a lot, a few of those guys are regulars over on Shotgun World/Huglu forum, BPGuy (Dan King), Davide Todd and some others you should come over and join us, some of our regulars don't even own Huglu guns, they just enjoy the group, we have a super bunch of folks.
Thanks Guys!!
Strat

I might be interested if they would make it with 28" barrels.

My son in law laid down his Citori 20 in favor of a CZ 28 to hunt grouse. But he LOVES his new 1622!

I believe all Dehaan's SXSs are 28"; my SXS SO 20 is. Hunted that gun four times; eight shots, eight phez on the table.

A 16/20 Dehaan??? COUNT ME IN! Exclamation

If they made it, it should come with 20 barrels also as an option.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A 16/20 set, two set of barrels, with either single or double trigger options.
Ejectors, of course, which could be disabled if desired.

Three inch chambers for both 16 and 20 sets of barrels

Option of straight or pg stock

28 inch barrels

I like my safeties non-auto, but could come with auto safety and I would take care of that.

Oil finish, easily maintained

Price around $1000 for SET ??

OR IF THE COMPANY WANTS A DIFFERENT PATH, HAVE 16 GAUGE CONVERSION BARRELS AND FOREND SETS MADE TO FIT CURRENT 20 GUAGE GUNS.

Neat,
Mike

Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Posts: 207

I think it could be done at a very attractive price, but $1K for a 2-barrel set is asking a bit much; probably more like at least $1600, and that's assuming it's $1100-1200 for the base gun.

Keep in mind that Huglu SxS guns generally don't have ejectors, & you'd have to pony up probably around $300 for them. I'm thinking somewhere around $1500-1600 for the base gun; De Haan charges $525-$855 for a second set of barrels, so maybe around $2K for a two-barrel set. Compared to the $6500 that Merkels often go for, that's a real bargain.

As mentioned, Huglu already uses a Greener action similar to the Merkel; if they could just duplicate the stock, forend & barrels, which shouldn't be much of a problem given their CNC equipment. it should be a fairly simple gun to make, and I think they'd sell the heck out of them.

Member Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 98 Location: Ballwin, MO

I have the DeHaan SO in 20 ga, and really like it. But mine is the left-hand version with left-hand stock(I like it) and the left-hand top lever, which I do not like. I realize the left-hand population is not very large, but if the basic gun(1 or 2-barrel set) is offered with the option of just a left-handed stock, it would help it sell with the left-hand crowd without the expense of a left-handed action.
Both my SO and my SGr(28 ga) are great guns, and while they may not be the equal of the Merkel, neither are they the price of the Merkel. Don't misunderstand me- I would love to have a 1620, but for the same money, I can have a 16, a 20, a 28, and a 410, each of which I will never wear out in my life time.
I realize that a lot of folks are negative on the Turkish guns, and to each his own opinion, but unlike some of these folks, I actually own two of them, and would be delighted to own a 16 ga built on the 20 ga frame.
Count me in! Especially if it is handled through Mark DeHaan - a real gentleman who knows what customer service is all about!
Besides, I shoot my guns more at targets so a 16 ga that weighs up to 6-1/2 lbs, is more to my liking. I may be chided by the "purist" shooters because my gun doesn't weigh 6 lbs or less, but at the end of a long round of sporting clays, my shoulder won't be hurting!

Then you want the present day Huglu mfg. 16. They usually weigh 7 lb.

Member Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 885 Location: Wisconsin

Stratoliner, have been a member of SGW for years, another good sight. Even has it's own 16 ga. section. About the only shotgun sites that I'm not on are the trap, skeet or sc ones. No longer shoot competition, too old and slow. Do shoot them for fun sometimes.

Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 185 Location: Boulder,Colorado

I personally would think that a 16 ga. DeHaan built on a 20 ga. frame with long barrels ( 28 or 30 choices) would be the cat's pajamas. I would buy such an offering in a minute at the $1000 price. I don't need two barrels either. Of course, it would have to have true 16 ga. barrels and weigh around 6 lb. 4 oz. or no dice.
My 28 ga. DeHaan SO is an incredible gun, considering it cost me around $1,000 new. I have a friend who is fortunate enough to be able to pursue his passion for classic English & Spanish shotguns and has a most impressive collection from both the big name firms and the small obscure makers in all gauges. This guy is the most knowledgable quality shotgun resource I know personally and he guy thinks my DeHaan is one hell of a gun. Of course he'd never OWN one because he's too insecure in his manhood not to be able to boast how much it costs Rolling Eyes

Excellent suggestion IMO. These CZ/Huglus are very well made for the money. Not everyone wants to pay 4K or more for an SxS for hunting. I think if CZ would consider trimming the weight down to the 6.5-6.75 range, they'd have a winner. All they have to do is look at the Citori models to see the possibilities. Point them there. The evidence will do the rest. Good luck.

Member Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 885 Location: Wisconsin

Yeah, but Citoris have thier barrels aligned wrong. All they have to take is the Bobwhite 20 which is one of the 2 CZs I have and fit 16s to it.

Comm'n PC. You been nipping at the vanilla extract too? What I'm referring to is the commercial success of the 16 ga. Citori, not the configuration. However, I suppose anyone nutty enough about SxS guns could learn to shoot an O/U turned sideways if that would float their boat. I've seen stranger shooting styles and longer scenic routes to the kitchen Smile

Na, a nice CZ SXS in our faviorite gauge would be better. Now put the extract back in the cabinet and brew some coffee. Smile