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Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Reno, Nevada

Assuming there are at least three kinds of Cheddite hulls (with both high and low brass) and that Cheddite Winchester is made in Australia, Cheddite Imperial in Canada, and plain Cheddite somewhere else, are all three Light Green Cheddite hulls all the same?

Next are all Cheddite primers essentially the same? And . . .
Where do the generally accepted Cheddite primers fit in comparison to Hot-Federal, Moderate-Winchester 209, and Cool CCI 209? (I also know about Fiocchi and Remington.)

I acquired 1,000 primed 16 ga. Cheddites from Precision Reloading. I see our LPRG spreadsheet has some information. With a few primers and powders I know well, I can make some general assumptions . . . but I don't trust just my judgment.

I would like to keep fps and pressure around "normal" skeet loads, and/or quail size upland birds taken over a pointing dog at 25 to +35 yards.

Your help will be appreciated.

Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Reno, Nevada

I recognize shootingsioux's expertise in describing how various shotshell hulls are designed or manufactured. But his post avoided the thrust of my initial post, i.e. the LPRG sheets really do not distinguish clearly whether Cheddite hulls and the primers used have different ballistic information.

For example, I asked Russell W. Gray if the Cheddite Imperial and Cheddite Winchester were the same, or identical. Here is the answer: No problem. We are referring to the name of the manufacture of the hull. The winchester is a recent import from australia. The imperials are from Canada and were imported and sold by bpi as cheddites. A fact that many of us contest since the hull walls are thicker and the basewad is taller.

Researching past posts, in 2008 I found one that referred to Cheddites "made or manufactured" in Spain. That post said Cheddites are made in France and the hulls were loaded in Spain. Whose powder or primers were used?

That is water over the dam, and I guess I should have asked do the French also make the primers in the primed hulls sold by Preciision Loading?

"Tony" shooting sioux also also commented on the "external ballistics". Right or wrong, and I just spent time trying to "prove" that American Skeet rules use 1200 fps as the standard. That was my fault in using external ballistics, but I am very familar in loading for "new" high value shotguns.

What concerns me are the warnings regarding primers when one is loading for a 60 plus or minus year-old Marlin 90. I already find signs of very slight erosion in the chamber, and the wood itself leaves much to be desired. Its a fun gun to shoot, but I hear those who say "consider the wood".

In both the 4th and 5th Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbooks, there are cautions and/or warnings on Pages 49 and 46 respectivley about indiscriminate substitution of primers.

We all should know that every element in the loaded shotshell , can have a synergistic effect upon the ballistic standard deviation, or the square root of the variation mu (average), if my memory going back to statistical analysis courses is reliable.

Whose primers are in the primed Cheddites we buy? Are they hot, temperate, or cool, compared to CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remingotn or Fiocchi?

Click the link below. There is some primer comparison info on the lower part of the page.

[url] http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/ [/url]

Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Reno, Nevada

Gosh, guys! I am sorry I started this thread. I went to Google and typed: Who Makes Cheddite primers? That broke the dam of threads for and against Cheddite primers. Here is one thread heading:

Thread Cheddite Primers | Shotgunworld.com - Welcome to the ...
Jan 27, 2010 ... I refuse to use Cheddite primers because they are made in France and I ... J & P makes a spring that is only about 5% stronger than the ...
boardreader.com/thread/Cheddite_Primers_8llvX4g5u.html - Cached - Similar

Some say they are a good sub for Winchester 209 and cheaper . . . if you reduce powder by .5 grain. Others say they have used thousands and no problem.

Still others say certain Brownings and German guns pierce the primers, causing a "blow torch" of hot gases to destroy firing pins.

If you want to read more, all together Google has 32 pages of various thread headings.

No more, no more, no more . . .

Joined: 15 Jul 2010 Posts: 18

Hello roy

I can find two types of cheddite primers; cx1000 and cx2000. Gualandi has a chart on their website comparing these to some other brands.

http://www.gualandi.it/TabCariche/POLVERI_CARICAMENTO.htm
(click on the second tab from the left.)

As you can see, the cx1000 is listed as a medium strenght primer, while the cx2000 is a hot(magnum?) primer.

The 16ga cheddite(european) hulls I have bought, used the cx1000. But I have seen 12ga shells for sale using the cx2000.

Hope this is of some help.

yours
kongsdal

Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 287 Location: missouri

There are 3 types of Cheddite primer CX 50, CX 1000 and CX 2000. Supposedly from inquires I have made the CX -50 is not available to reloaders the CX 1000 is identified by a red laquer coating on the primer and the CX 2000 a black laquer coating. All of the Cheddite primers I have purchased recently had the red coating on them however Activ used black coated cheddites under their own name in their ammunition. I know from chrongraph comparisons the red coated cheddites are a bit hotter than the Winchester 209 and the black coated are about the same as the CCI 209M.
Sorry I can't be a bit more accurate than that but I trust my chronograph more than what I hear from sources I am not 100% sure of.

Hello Roy :

Glass bed your ole Marlin and have fun then it makes no difference what you shoot in it .

Best Regards, Nick

Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 960

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